What Are Pathological Liars?

Are they Different from Compulsive Liars?

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Pathological lying is a criterion for other psychiatric disorders, not one in itself. How does a person recognize and deal with pathological liars?

The DSM-IV TR, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition, Revised Text, used by mental health professionals to diagnose for billing purposes, fails to have a specific definition of pathological lying as a psychiatric disorder, so a clear treatment for pathological lying in itself has not been defined.

The DSM recognizes that this type of lying can be symptomatic of other psychiatric disorders, especially Antisocial Personality Disorder or APD and Narcissistic Personality Disorder or NPD.

Pathological Liar Verses Compulsive Liar

When used properly, this refers to people who lie constantly to get their way and do so with little concern, regard or respect for the feelings and rights of others. It’s often associated another psychiatric disorder. Pathological liars are often goal-oriented as long as they get their own way. They are usually seen as manipulative, cunning and egotistical.

Many people confuse a pathological liar with a compulsive or habitual liar. These liars lie out of habit. They might bend the truth about everything. Telling the truth feels awkward; lying feels good. Most compulsive liars are not overly manipulative.

Warning Signs of Pathological Liars

A pathological liar might exhibit the following behaviors:

  • Lie to control and get their own way
  • Often change stories
  • Exaggerate, lying about almost everything, but tell the truth about major ones
  • Not value truth
  • Live in their own reality most of the time
  • Behave defensively when questioned or challenged
  • Lie for sympathy
  • Don’t admit they lie
  • Contradict what they say because they don’t remember their lies, although there are exceptions

Pathological Liars with APD and NPD

While this type of lying can be present in other psychiatric disorders, they are most prevalent in the APD and the NPD. The hallmark of the APD is lacking conscience. They’re exploitive, have no regard for others’ feelings and lie repeatedly. The hallmarks of the NPD are a sense of entitlement and grandiosity. They exaggerate their achievements, lack empathy and exploit others.

Treatment for these types of liars must begin with addressing the personality disorders. This includes psychotropic medications and therapy which usually is behavioral and cognitive behavioral. Both therapies focus on changing the behavior of the patient with APD or NPD. Cognitive therapy also identifies and changes dysfunctional thinking and emotional responses.

Therapy requires cooperation from the patient. The problem with this is that treating people with APD and NPD can be difficult because these individuals generally lie to the therapist about taking medications and their behavior. Many people with these conditions routinely fail to recognize their behavior as problematic and are therefore unlikely to seek psychological help. They seem content to continue to lie as long as their egocentric needs are being satisfied. Some NPDs, if committed to changing, can be helped. There is no known effective treatment for the APD.

Options - How to Deal with Pathological Liars

Coping with these liars can be frustrating. Sometimes it’s hard to separate truth from their lies. It’s best not to confront these liars directly because, they will probably become defensive and rationalize by lying again, they might be angry or they might exhibit both behaviors. There are other options for dealing with them.

  • Some believe that one should suggest the liar seek professional help. This can be a delicate situation because these liars don’t see anything wrong with their lying. Some believe their lies. In both cases it’s likely they would be offended and get angry. It’s the least desirable choice.
  • Others believe one should realize the person is a pathological liar and to ignore the lies.
  • People, when they hear two different versions of an event, can act confused and say, “I thought you said…. Please help me to understand.”
  • The last option is to end the relationship with the liar, if possible.

Sources:

  • Abnormal Psychology, Ephraim Rosen and Ian Gregory, (Saunders, 1965).
  • Without Conscience, Robert Hare, (Guilford Press, 1999).
Jill Stefko PhD, Renaissance Studio

Jill Stefko - I'd rather deal with the paranormal than human abnormal - having dealt extensively with both.

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Nov 2, 2009 4:29 PM
Guest :
This is fantastic information and so glad i found this website..... its sounds just like my best friend..... thanks for the advice. :)
Dec 21, 2009 7:22 AM
Guest :
Im a senoir in high school and for my monthly research report i have choosen to write and conduct and experiment about pathelogical liars. this is a very good article
Dec 21, 2009 7:26 AM
Guest :
It is very factorial. I suppose I would like a bit more background information about the disorder. My brother lies constantly and on average he fibs about thirty times a day. He is sixteen and I am age eighteen. I am very worried about my brother. He tells fibs in the simplest way it's delusional.
Jan 1, 2010 8:43 AM
Guest :
These people are so clueless that they will lie about small things.
A simple where are you can result in "I'm at vons." when you say back "you're at vons?" they instantly change the story and say"I'm at starbucks." you are there stunned and unable to comprehend...they leave you questioning your own sanity
and when you call them on it they say " don't think too much."
these are really screwed up people. Run the other way!!
Jan 19, 2010 1:12 PM
Guest :
This information is very useful, I believe it can be applied to one of my friends. She always lies to me and changes her stories, and yet when it comes to something I can see in person I find that it can't be done, or the thing is unavailable!
Jan 26, 2010 1:40 PM
Guest :
I have to deal with a pathological liar on a regular basis. I was thinking of confronting her but I see it could likely antagonise her. I will just keep my distance as best I can, and hope someday soon she gets caught with her pants down. Thanks for the article!
Feb 2, 2010 9:08 PM
Guest :
are they aware they are actually lying? or do they do it so natural they forget while they're actually committing the lie?
Feb 3, 2010 7:01 AM
Jill Stefko :
Several years ago when I was going to gvie a talk about pathological liars, I read about a theory that they believe their lies, but was unable to find this information when I did research for this article, so I didn't include it. People who have Antisocial Personality Disorder, APD, formerly sociopath and psychopath, are adept at lying. Most are also very charming. One married into the family and, within less than a month, I discovered at least twenty lies! Another one told me he was divorced, but his sister and mother were unaware of any marriage. I asked him if they were at the wedding and he said his parents were. He was never married. This forty-something year-old man was like a child who would say "make-believe" things. The problem is that, if one asks pathological liars if they believe the lies, no matter what the answer is, it could be another lie.
Mar 27, 2010 1:15 PM
Guest :
nice article. this would help me in my study. thanks! :D
Apr 1, 2010 8:57 AM
Guest :
Guest:
Very good infomation - my Mother-in-Law is a liar she will not tell the truth about anything. I think that because she is over weight she is trying to make herself look smarter and better. She feels that she know everything about anything even if she makes up the story or facts. I belive that she belives what she says. I think that she has a very low selfestem and makes her feel like she is so much more, meanwhile noone belives what she says, its just funny how she does not see it, that everyone knows.

Apr 17, 2010 7:07 PM
Guest :
I'm A pathalogical liar and this is exactly what im like it sort of helps thanks...
May 16, 2010 12:40 PM
Guest :
mark whitacre in the movie "the informant" is a classic case of pathological lying with narcissistic personality disorder, although labeled as bipolar spectrum disorder, in view of family history of bipolarity & considering that he has grandiose ideas
May 20, 2010 10:54 PM
Guest :
I feel like I could have written all of the signs by just describing my brother. It is a very hard situation to deal with. His lies are difficult to deal with because confrontations are dealt with more lies. Just when my parents, other brother, and I feel like letting him be and ignoring him he puts on a sad face and plays the victim for everything and makes us feel bad. Not feel bad in the sense that we feel like we did something wrong but more like in the sense of pity. After all the lies and deception and proof of wrong doing, he still in his eyes feels like the victim and sees us to be the wrong doers. Extremely frustrating situation that seems to be an ongoing thing in our lives. It is so draining emotionally and physically and wish I knew a way to end it already.
May 26, 2010 10:17 PM
Guest :
As a person diagnosed with NPD recently, it is disappointing to hear these things but they are true for the most part. The first part of treatment is for that person to admit it and accept his/her responsibility and then perhaps be able to move forward. Outside of this, it is a long chaotic life!! I know!!
Jun 5, 2010 2:58 AM
Guest :
What this short artical does is give insite into a pathelogical liar and being in a relationship with this type of person has far reaching consequences. In short, you struggle with every day life as you are controled by a sense of injustice, manipulation and isolated. Further, you doubt your own truth of the situation, that in turn breaches confedence, self-esteem, self worth- resuling in confusion/frustration and hurt. It can be the first thing that you wake up to every morning . In addition, creates tierdness and leaves you depressed and subseverent to the liars power. Therefore, resulting in the downward spiraling effect mentioned.
If this is the case, walking away from the situation is my best advise as it is likely to have adverse effects on your quality of life and stabillity.
However, what if you can`t? As a father of 2 girl`s, who I have major contact with, and a mother who is a patological liar, puts a escape route impossible. As a adult, I would be able to deal with the situation, however, when children are used and manipulated I am at a loss. The ultimate crime is using the vunerable and it is easy, like taking candy from a baby, and I find myself in a fire fighting role and in dispair at these antics. I have to watch this going on, knowing that there is other motives. One being my input with the children and to put me into oblivion with regards to contact. In short, wipe me out of thier lives and control them.
As the artical suggests, that the person is void of other`s feelings and the destructive consequences rings true.
So the artical does help by addressing the problems of this type of person and helping you to understand that you are the victim and in that persons control. Albeit, especially when children are envolved.
So the awareness is at hand. Now the doing something about it is the next step? This is going to be the difficult part as a set pattern of behaviour is cast. To start, the first step, for me, will be to realise and embed, what right has a person got to do these things to others and apply the methods suggested. This is going to be tuff and perhaps daunting. But it can be done and I must believe I am good enough for the childens sake.
Jul 9, 2010 10:04 AM
Guest :
The article is actually helping come to grips about the psychology, philosophy of the Watchtower Society's Jehovah's Witnesses who claim to be" led by God's spirit", about their perpetual re-interpretations of prophecy and scripture, and erroneous predictions while claiming no inspiration all to be accepted as coming from God because , Watchtower leaders claimed God chose them to be his "channel" of communication since 1919 and is the only true religion, and way of salvation for mankind..WTS does not equate any of these unfounded, unsupported claims as falsehood...its very difficult to have faith on these imho 'pathological' premises. See for yourself
http://community.beliefnet.com/go/forum/view/43851/70819/Discuss_Jehovahs _Witnesses
Jul 17, 2010 8:54 AM
Guest :
this is a great help for me...i have been with the pathological liar for almost two years...and i just realized that all the things that she said for two years were all lies.....*12345..this is my code.....
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